Pet Stores Claim Ban On Puppy Mills Is Unconstitutional

Pet Stores Claim Ban On Puppy Mills Is Unconstitutional


Most people in this country would probably
agree that puppy mills, you know, any kind of mass farm that just sits there, having
animals produce litter after litter is a bad thing, not just for the welfare of the animals,
but for this country as a whole, for us being animal lovers. We don’t like the mistreatment of animals
and that’s why you have some states out there trying to ban these puppy mills, but even
though it may be the ethical thing to do, a new lawsuit says that it might not actually
even be legal to do this. Joining me now to talk about this is Scott
Hardy with Top Class Actions and Scott, this is an issue that, yeah, I mean on the surface
it seems to make a lot of sense. It’s very ethical, like, yes, let’s get rid
of the puppy mills. But then you have the pet stores and not just
the big chain ones that are really the big culprits here, but local pet stores in certain
areas, specifically Maryland who have now joined together suing the state because of
the puppy mill ban that’s about to go into effect. What’s their argument here? Well it’s, it’s a couple of points and they
actually, as you said, it’s, it’s interesting from the common perception of hey, you should
adopt, you know, don’t shop, adopt, find a rescue, get the dog that you want. There are so many rescues out there for every
breed you can find what you need. But the simple fact is people will still reach
out to breeders directly. People will still go online to craigslist
or other places and find a dog who they think is actually coming from a reputable breeder. But unfortunately, you know, all they’re going
to see is that dog, you know, little kennel out on the front green grass. They’re not going to see the potentially,
you know, dozens or hundreds of other dogs back in the farm that’s living a terrible
life. And so what these stores are essentially saying
is that yes, we want more dogs to be rescued. We want more dogs to be adopted. But what you’re doing is you’re forcing consumers
and forcing pet buyers and puppy buyers to go into the back alleys of consumerism to
find their dogs while we, a responsible pet shop actually look into every single breeder
we work with. We make sure that breeder is registered. We make sure the dogs are healthy, we stand
by the dogs. If you make it so that we can’t use reputable
breeders anymore and that we are not allowed to sell dogs anymore, then people will just
be going by, you know, online and finding these puppies from backyard breeders, these
people that don’t know what that they’re doing. You know, inbreeding is a huge problem with
puppy mills and backyard breeders. I’ve got a friend that just got a beautiful
little black lab puppy instead of adopting through a, a shelter and that dog is having
massive health problems. She’s already racked up a few thousand dollars
in emergency vet bills. And of course the breeder’s like, oh, not
my problem. You know, and so that’s really what the pet
shops are coming out here and saying is that hey, we’re, we’re doing the right thing. We’re trying to be responsible. We’re trying to safeguard consumers and you’re
going to force people to go and buy pets from disreputable breeders that are going to be
abusing dogs. And the pet stores in this Maryland class
here, they’re saying, listen, we use USDA government approved breeders. These breeders are registered. They have been inspected. You know, the dogs are, are certified. We know that everything with our dogs is ethical. We are not using these big puppy mills like
places like Petland have been accused of using. We’re using people that we know of that have
been inspected. They are ethical, they’re doing the right
thing. But this piece of legislation was written
with such broad language that it would essentially ban that because it’s not going to allow these
pet stores to sell cats and dogs. So they have a very real case here. I mean, this absolutely would destroy their
businesses. I mean, I know pet stores sell other kinds
of animals, but let’s be honest, you go to a pet store to buy a puppy, it’s no longer,
you know, 50 bucks, a hundred bucks, you’re spending thousands of dollars for these dog
breeds. You know, whether it’s a golden retriever,
an English bulldog, I mean $3,000 to $5,000, at least down here in my area. And we live in an area where that’s a heck
of a lot of money. So I can’t even imagine how much they are
at other places. So yes, this is going to hurt them. You’re, you’re not gonna make enough money
selling lizards and birds to stay afloat if this thing goes into action. But again, you run into that ethical conundrum. Is it ethical to shut down puppy mills? Yes. Is it legal? That’s the question that still has to be answered. Right. I mean, it looks like, you know, these pet
shops are saying, hey, the onus should be on the government here. We were, as you said, we’re following the
USDA guidelines. We’ll do everything we can. If the government is not identifying these
breeders as actual puppy mills and shutting them down, that’s not our fault. We’re doing our job here. The government needs to do, needs to do their
job and regulate effectively. And unfortunately, you know, even though we
continue to push the, the adopt, adopt, adopt mantra, some people won’t. And frankly, you know, adopting is quite expensive
as well. You know, we got our dog Barkley from a local
rescue. Barkley was 400 bucks. And I said to the, to the rescue, I said,
well, what the heck? I thought I’m adopting. I’m actually, you know, doing something good. And she said, well, you are, I got to charge
you $400 for this puppy because the other dogs here that I’m literally giving away,
will be here for a long time. I said, okay, that makes sense. But you have these, you know, these puppy
mills out there and these shops that are just saying, listen, we’re trying to do everything
legal and by forcing us, mandating that we can only sell or we can only use rescue dogs,
we’re not going to be able to, like you said, might, might, might not be able to keep our
doors open, but it’s not going to stop puppy mills. It’s not going to stop illegal breeders. It just makes people who want to use those
breeders go into the back, into the back alley of the Internet and find them instead of hopefully
having a way to get a healthy animal that is exactly what they want through a reputable
store. And I don’t know if people realize this, but
you can actually get online, excuse me, and you can find websites that will find you the
exact dog you want and that dog may be 2000 miles away. So they charge you, you know, a lot of instances,
sometimes they do come from puppy mills, so they just charge you the shipping of the dog
where they put the dog in a crate, they stick it on an airplane, you just go pick it up
at the airport, whenever you reach this agreed upon time. So people are going to find a way to buy these
animals from the puppy mills. And that’s, not only is that still perpetrating
the problem or perpetuating the problem, excuse me, but now you’ve also shut down these other
businesses that were doing it in the right way. So I think they’ve got a real case here. I think they’ve got a very strong argument,
but again, it’s still awful that we can’t shut these puppy mills down while at the same
time protecting these people who are doing everything ethically and correctly, and they
still somehow get, get vilified for, for doing that because people automatically assume you’re
a pet shop, you’re taking the puppy mill puppies. And that certainly is not, not the case with
every pet store in this country, is it? Exactly. A lot of these pet stores are really focused
on taking care of their customers and making sure that all of the pets that they are selling
are ethically sourced, so to speak. You know, that they’ve, they’re following
all the right guidelines and they’re just trying to be good entrepreneurs and supporting
the local community. So by mandating that pet shops cannot sell
puppies from reputable breeders, that really does hurt businesses. And while you would think by mandating puppy
shops or pet stores can only sell or connect rescues or the humane society that just pushes
everybody else who was still, no matter what, going to buy that purebred puppy out into
the dark and hurts these stores who are trying to do the right thing. For more information about this issue, please
follow the link in the description of this video. Head on over to Top Class Actions and while
you’re there, make sure you subscribe to their weekly newsletter. Scott Hardy with Top Class Actions. Thank you very much for talking with me. You’re welcome. Thanks for your time, Farron.

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  1. There are so many dogs need to be adopted and do not need to be breeded in anyway open your pet shops up for people to bring their kittens and puppies to. None of you should be allowed to mass breed dogs we have a population problem and my people get the hint that puppy mills are actually bad when you ban them maybe they'll understand. People sometimes need to be shown I'm not just left in the dark and expected to do the right thing.

  2. Yes but the problem with the signers of the Constitution and living things that you can own is that list included people.

  3. That's a stupid argument. The ban applies to pet stores. Nothing is stopping people from seeking out private breeders where they can go to the property and see for themselves what conditions the animals are living in, there's plenty of them out there and there's no mark up. And how do they know it's a reputable breeder? Cause puppy mills will only pull one over on customers? Guess again! This is a stupid bullshit argument. Not to mention all the other horrible stuff that happens at puppy mills. Go watch the HBO documentary Dealing Dogs if you want a good eye opening look at puppy mills and dog dealers. Legitimate breeders aren't all their cracked up to be either, some of them cull perfectly healthy puppies just because they don't fit a stupid "breed standard".

  4. So they are going to keep breeding inferior dogs born with many health risks due to generations of inbreeding. I wouldn't want any animal to suffer like that.

  5. What the HELL does not using puppy mills have to do with the constitution?!?!?
    What constitutional right does it take away?!
    Your right to abuse animals!?

  6. What BS!!! I avoid these class action videos as a rule and decided to watch this one. I see top class actions just a bunch of BS money loving lawyers and the worse kind out there. RoF should cut all ties with top class actions.

  7. My Labrador Sally cost me £12.50 from a rescue home.
    400 bucks! yikes
    She was priceless but I wouldn't have been able to afford that much 🙁

    ps Barkley see what you did there Scott!

  8. All breeders are going to value money over the well being of the puppies. There's no such thing as an ethical breeder. Shut down all puppy mills while maintaining the Maryland new law.

  9. Ah, the 34th Amendment. "Congress shall make no law regarding mass, relentless dog breeding."
    Please, please, PLEASE search for adoption and rescue options.

  10. Ban puppy and kitten mills! Also, I will state the obvious, the right wing, corporations, etc. only care about materialist money. Human and animal rights are just an impediment to them.
    Edit: Search for "Vancouver bans pet stores from selling cats, dogs, and bunnies"

  11. The only breeders that are USDA licenced are puppy mills!!! DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! True breeders do not sell through pet shops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. There’s no such thing as a ethical or reputable breeder. Don’t you see Farron this is the same dumb argument gun rights ppl use when it comes to common sense gun laws!

  13. It breaks my heart that pet stores are allowed to sell dogs and puppies. Happily, where I live, that is banned along with backyard sellers and breeding farms. All breeders have to be registered and will receive unannounced visits from inspectors.

  14. No it ain't, you are fucking ANIMAL ABUSERS! That's why we should take down puppy mills! You TRUMP-HATERS must DIE! This is the start of CIVIL WAR 2 and you fucks are gonna DIE!!!🇺🇸😡🗡🛡🏹⚒💀⚰

  15. I was a tech for a vet that checked pet store "inspected" puppies. There is no such thing as a reputable breeder. We stopped checking "retail dogs" in protest of pet store puppies. They're just as mistreated as home brew dogs. Breeding is cruel, given the millions put to death every year due to overpopulation / not enough homes. Go to the shelter to get your dog, or find a pet store that works in tandem with shelter animals.

  16. friend of mine bought a dog from an obvious puppy mill. felt gross, but that puppy still needed to get out of there.

  17. Well, some animal shelters and especially rescues are really strict over who they choose to adopt their dogs; that’s why ppl use Craigslist and pet shops.

    When I was in college, I was trying to adopt a dog and was really discriminated by some rescues and shelters because I was simply a college student who RENTED, not owned a place, so they didn’t let me adopt……..

    Perhaps it would help if while discouraging puppy mills and breeding, you can also encourage rescues and shelters to be more open to who they let adopt their animals? Just a suggestion.

  18. Why don't the stores get their dogs from the shelter? A lot of the pet stores around me actually work in tandem with animal shelters and they display shelter pets for you to adopt.

    Also they should be able to write the law so that they only shut down the people/places that are abusing the animals/keeping them in poor conditions. If there are breeders who are following the rules and are treating the animals humanely, then they get to stay in business and the pet stores can use them. The fact that the stores are worried about puppy mills going away makes me wonder if they're really only using reputable breeders. You'd think if they were using reputable breeders, they'd support this law. I think that just because there might still be sketchy people breeding dogs in horrible conditions after they pass the law, it doesn't mean you shouldn't try to pass the law. If it closes down some of the worst puppy mills, it's worth it. They should have someone who goes and looks at the conditions at the breeders and determine whether it's a bad place that needs to be shut down or a good place that should stay open. My two cents.

    Though, personally, I feel people should adopt. All of my cats have either been strays or a pet from a shelter and I'm glad I never bought one from a store. It makes me happy to know I may have saved some animal lives.

  19. I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU FOR ACCEPTING THIS LAWYER'S WORD AS GOSPEL. I respect your opinion on politics but not on the sale of dogs after this interview. Go to a puppy mill (find one or find some youtube videos like "world animal awareness society", "animal rescue corps", "strays of St.Louis", "vet ranch",) and see how the poor dogs live or rather exist. Maybe not every pet shop buys from a puppy mill, perhaps, but definitely most of them. How many shops go out to a respectable breeder to get their puppies and pay the prices the breeders ask? Most of them are associated to one or another chain. Why not restrict it to government approved breeders who have dogs that go to the shows, contests, who have dogs that have won awards, maybe? Maybe limit # of adult dogs they can keep. And they need to have at least 2 visits by health inspectors per year. One of those visits should be unannounced. Of course then you have the problem of unscrupulous inspectors who take bribes or foreclose on the breeder. I've seen this too where a very good breeder was put out of business and they even took her personal pets. And the pups should be neutered or spayed unless being bought by a certified breeder. You absolutely need to reduce the number of cats and dogs. There are tons of cities like Detroit, Houston and L.A. that are overun by strays. We have made dogs into animals that cannot survive without humans taking care of them. So when humans abandon their dog on the street they must survive anyway they can, which is a horrible life. Actually, the more I think about it the more I hesitate to let the pet shops continue to sell dogs or cats. You can have a dog that's sick and cost you thousands of dollars whether he's a purebred or a mutt. Look up a breed on the internet where they tell you all the health problems that each breed is known for. A mix or even a good old fashion mutt usually has a better health. Now those that have live long on the street or were born there will probably have more health problems. Personally, if money is a big consideration, I would go to a no-kill shelter that gets them vetted and treated and spayed or neutered, microchipped. Get an owner-surrender, or a puppy that was born there, 1/2 and 1/2 mix more or less or a purebreed-no papers. Tough luck for the pet shops they should have anticipated the change in the law by seeing the change in the attitudes of people towards pets. There are pet shops who sell shelter dogs to help the shelters, who have way too many dogs, recoup their vet costs, they host fundraising events for the shelters, the people come and look at the dogs and cats, and buy tons of things for the new pet or even for their own pets which they can bring with them. The pet shop near here installed a couple of tubs and a shower enclosure where people can wash their own dogs for $10.00. Again, after the bath they usually buy stuff. After all they have to reward their dogs for being so good. LOL This is all things that promote consumer loyalty. So they sell tons of toys, special high and medium quality food, cat litter, pet beds and crates, etc. They seem to do fine. And the dog and cat communities get to know each other there and buy stuff while they wait. The dogs choose stuff it's hard to say no. Now whether it's unconstitutional or not I don't know. I live in Canada. Unfortunatenely in Ontario where there is a pit bull ban that I am very ashamed of. But in my little 10,000 people town there are a lot of pit bulls and nobody says anything, and the police somehow don't notice them. There is only one who wears a muzzle because he is very aggressive. I don't suppose his owner knows how to raise a pitty.
    So no pet shop dogs unless they are rescues. Maybe a limited number of registered breeders per county with a limited number of adult dogs and neutered and spayed until the overpopulation is no longer a problem. For each pure breed dog there is a dog who is dying in a shelter or on the street. Not fair especially since it's the fashion to say your dog is a rescue.

  20. I would go even further and say that people should have to spay or neuter their pets and anyone wanting to breed should have to obtain licensing and face regulation.

  21. In my county in New York State, the county Humane Society has closed six of the puppy mills. The dogs are in such bad shape they have to be put down. The mills are all run by a religious sect that thinks animals were put here for us to use as we want. Not going to name them.

  22. It's not ethical to breed dogs period. They have a good case under the current system, but the system itself is messed up. And why do we care about dog welfare and not cow, pig, or chicken welfare? They all have sentience and feel pain, so why are dogs different? So hypocritical

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